Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. Trustpilot. 7mm mag has stood the test of time. This is Not a New Thing. If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Mag. Mag. No more than 7-pounds finished and field ready. Mag., 270 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, and 300 H&H Magnum looked all but washed up. When I add this up, I default to the 7mm Rem. Bullet made it in about 3" an blew a big hole in it. Retumbo. If you go the Nosler route, look into the freebore for the barrel. Just $1 per month , The old 7mm Rem. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. at the muzzle. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. Id suggest a similar plan. Neither caught on, but American shooters were certainly beginning to recognize the potential for 7mm cartridges. Improving 7mm Rem. Run 230-240 freebore this will work for 180eldm, 184, 190,195 Bergers. Trustpilot. The 7mm has a longer barrel and is heavier. But they didnt shorten anything. The 7 SAUM is a short-action, magnum cartridges similar to the 7 WSM. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. Hey guys, so Ive kind of decided to give one of these a try in my Desert Tech SRS. Thoughts on a 22 or 23 Barrel in 7mm Rem Mag? Before this barrel I had a 7 SAUM and I wasn't happy with how it fed from the DTA magazines. So how do you choose among these three? Im using Winchester brass, and it's showing no signs of wear after 8 or 9 reloads. Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. Want to do 24-26 barrel. Mine shoots factory 160 class ammo at 1/2 MOA (5 & 10 shot groups) in the mid 2900s with SD in the mid teens. How does the 280 AI do with 180 grain bullets compared to the 7mm SAUM? Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. and if you cant draw any tags, youd got a target rifle to tide you over. A major part of that depends on rifling twist. My thinking was that good ol' 7mm RM. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. It made sense for me. In the past, running 284 Win (reaching back to Raton, 2013), I would have said that (for me at least) a rechamber would be in order for a straight 284 around the 2000 round mark. ABLR in the 28 Nosler. Use a 1:8 twist and the 7RM will be no slouch. ADG 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. I think if I was buying a hunting rifle, and just wanted to keep a few high quality boxes of factory ammo around, the I would go 7Rm. ADG makes 28 nosler brass for a great option. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. ELD-Match ammo I shot at FTW was rated 2,975 fps on the box. And heres the same 175-gr. bullets far, far downrange with minimal wind deflection and maximal accuracy. Clear winner. Medium slow burning rifle powders are most appropriate for both of these cartridges. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. For perspective, this is 75 fps faster than most 175-gr. This rings home with me. The Hodgdon technicians used Winchester cases and primers to develop their loads, and they were chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. 7 saum 7 rem mag 7 ultra mag 28 nosler The 284 and 280 appeal to me for lower cost (components and barrel life), but they are the slowest. Also, is it worth getting a new rifle in the 280AI when I already have a 270 Win? Ron Spomer ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Hodgdon reloading data for the 7mm WSM shows that the 140 grain Nosler Partition spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2979 fps in front of 58.0 grains of H4350 powder. Essentially, 7mm PRC rifles will be manufactured with match-grade chambers. I think the 7saum is here to stay. Specifically, the larger diameter .284 bullets used by those 7mm cartridges have about 5% more frontal surface area (also known as cross sectional area) than the .277 bullets used by the 6.8 Western (.0633 vs .0603 square inches). Alabusa Learning. The belt has never been an issue for me. Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, lets establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. It slightly exceeds the ballistic performance of the short-action 7mm SAUM on the right. Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. $81.95. Clearly the 28 Nosler is the flat trajectory King here, but at the expense of more recoil, more powder, and a fairly large, standard-length action to fit the .534 rim/head circumference. In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. The sample Hornady 180-gr. I'm not too familiar with the 7LRM, but I'm having a 28 Nosler built for hunting. Piecing together a rifle build but havent settled on what I want to chamber it in. The resulting reservoir holds 77 grains of water with a 175-grain bullet seated to Over-All Cartridge Length (measured base to tip of bullet.). Moose by the dozens have fallen to the 7mm Rem. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. Assuming that would be as illogical as assuming the 30-06 Springfield, 308 Winchester, and 223 Remington are strictly military cartridges. This will be a custom built hunting rifle(deer and elk) and will need to be carried long distances. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. and a high B.C. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. Or just step up to the 7 SAUM and run 180s if you want more weight. Barrel life is always a concern with maximum velocity, so-called overbore cartridges. For really light and a short action if you reload 7 saum. Minuteman. Mag. Barrel life will also be lower than the other two. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. 28 nosler is a great case, barrel burner, but if you're looking for say 3000fps w/ 195 at lower pressure, use H1000 or Retumbo, adg/gunwerks brass, and the brass will last you forever, take care the barrel and it may go 1000 rounds. might not sound like a big deal until you start maneuvering it in and out of cases, trucks, scabbards, and forests. With RL26 I stuck a case in the chamber @ 3150fps. bullet wins the wind deflection category. 12 Gauge 1". The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. at the muzzle. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent wandering. Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. I run the Berger 180 hybrids at 2900 in my 280 ackley with no pressure signs. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. If youre going to tackle an elk or mule deer with a 180-grain bullet at around 2,900 fps, the 7mm version in that bullet weight will shoot flatter, drift less, and put more energy on target than the .308 version. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. All of the figures from both companies were developed in 24 inch test barrels. This precision does not mean the 7mm PRC is a long range target round only. 28 Nosler brass can be a pain to find, same goes for the ammo. Fill this brass case with smokeless powder instead of water and, according to some handloading guides, 62.5 grains of Reloder 22 should shove a 175-grain bullet from a 24-inch barrel 2,870 fps. You could beat it by loading that same bullet in the 28 Nosler, but youre still facing the barrel burn out issue. And with RL33 hes getting 3140 fps (pretty easily), using Retumbo (for it's temp stability) drops it about 75 fps. You must log in or register to reply here. Going to a 28-inch barrel provides more volume for burning those big doses of slow-burning powder, adding 50 to perhaps 100 fps to 26-inch barrel velocities. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. In 1962 the 7mm Rem. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. Creedmoor Sports $ 86.95 . Sounds like from above that ADG is making 7 MAX brass, which is what Rich told me last year would be happening. Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. $120.95. But you pay the price in recoil and that 26-inch barrel. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. Worth considering. After all the smoke and toasted barrels cleared, I came to my own conclusion that the 7-300 win mag was the winner when all aspects are considered. The 7 PRC should be built on 1:8 or 1:7.5 twist barrels to stabilize all these. Thats fast enough to handle most 175-gr. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. They straightened the sidewalls. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. You can drive 10 mph and get thousands and thousands more miles out of your tires, but wouldnt you rather drive highway speed? for their 7mm SAUM with a 140 grain bullet. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. If your just hunting without extended range sessions I'g use this over the 7rem mag. Again, both seen like great options but I want this to be a hunting rig, as I've got a rifle for shooting steel. 6.5 PRC or .28 Nosler. The 28N is very similar to the 7 STW. Mag. I didnt have any problems finding reloading supplies. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. Handloaders can take advantage of all these, but most commercial ammunition features 120-grain to 178-grain bullets. .672., MV 2,900 fps. Brass is not going anywhere as a handloaders cartridge. Remington and Winchester went to short, fat, unbelted cases for their latest 7mm magnums, the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum and the Winchester Short Magnum. Qty: Add to cart . But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, waitll you haul around a 28-inch. Trustpilot. Will be running as a long action so no worries about magazine issues. Overall cartridge length of the 7mm RUM is 3.6 inches, right there with a .375 H&H Magnum. Supporter. I already have a few 264 caliber rifles. I dont reload but i see this statement a lot. Full-magnum action long. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). Buy Now. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Since this rifle will be used sparingly maybe I can afford to go with something a little harder on the barrel. Published Nov 25, 2019 7:53 PM EST. JavaScript is disabled. JavaScript is disabled. Reactions: Zeroit. Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. When in doubt, pull the 338 out! Trustpilot. At SAAMI specs you really hinder the performance, need a little extra freebore to seat the bullets out further. Ron Spomer The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. Great availability of components and above all a barrel that will last 1500+ when used like a hunting rifle and cared for. Mag. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. . It may not display this or other websites correctly. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. The 280AI is a great cartridge, as is the plain old 280 Remington. Minuteman. Just 5 inches of drop at 400 yards and 6.8 inches of wind deflection. How bout building a 280AI. without laser assistance. And more recoil. And thats part of the reason 7mms are so popular. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. John makes custom dies not just what is listed. Nosler and Hornady load both 7mm Remington Magnum and .280 Ackley ammunition; looking at their data you'll see a difference of 90 to 100 fps between the two, with the belted 7mm Magnum giving the higher velocities (with a 162-grain Hornady ELD-X, the 7mm Mag. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. needed another shot behind the head to kill it. 28 has an edge over 7RM on range and power, but as others have stated 7RM already has. Kind of soured me on light bullet's. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. Great case design, great bc bullets available, more efficient powder burn than most 7mm cartridges, low recoil, and very very accurate. I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). I have both the 300 and 7mm SAUM, the 300 is on a model 7 action and the 7mm a standard 700SA. Now lets compare this to our other two 7mm candidates. You must log in or register to reply here. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. I've mostly shot 180 Berger's and its been really accurate. You must log in or register to reply here. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. Heres what a trajectory table looks like for the 180-gr. Mag. I have a 7 LRM in a DTA, I've been pretty happy with it. $120.95. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. ADG 300 PRC Brass. Mag., the 264 Win. I tested the 7 STW, 7 RUM, 7 Rem mag, 7-300 win mag and even a 7 Lapua. According to SAAMI specs, instrumental velocity of the 7mm PRC is 2,950 fps when driving a 180-grain bullet. 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. The difference might surprise you. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. Winchester claims a muzzle velocity (MV) of 3,225 fps with a 140 grain bullet for their 7mm WSM cartridge; the claimed muzzle energy (ME) is 3,233 ft. lbs. Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Lets compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. I would also add that if you are not going to optimize the rifle to get the most out of the 28 Nosler just stick with the tried and true 7mm Rem mag. ADG Brass. Been looking for a while. Nosler told me their bonded bullet is designed to retain 70%, same as the partition. Recreational and practical applications abound with these .22 caliber handguns. bullet have what it takes for hunting anything short of dangerous game. Choices have changed since I made the decision to go with a 7 WSM 10-15 years ago. Buy Now. The most common comparison is 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag, because they're both popular in North America and are kissing cousins as far as bullet diameter goes. Lots of hiking, backpacking, climbing, shooting to 450 yards, maybe 500 yards. You must log in or register to reply here. 92 grs. Categories Thanks, BnG. SAUM can be found on the . Never saw the need for the added horse power of the 7 STW so I sold it and stayed with the 7 mm Rem Mag. Consider that already own a 270 Win with a 22" barrel. Looking at going with the 7mag or 28 nosler. Good luck in your search, hope youll be as happy as I am with my results. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. Ryan Pierce is a gunsmith, Piercison Rifles, and he is the first person I saw that was playing with the extra freebore. 224 Valkyrie. Some of these new cartridges are appealing, I dont think Ill change however. Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. . Buy Now. Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. with either the Berger 215- or 230-grain Hybrid and push them at maximum pressures. The 28 Nosler is in the 7mm Rifle Ammo family. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. The 175 ELDX load Ive been using is so good no reason to try newer powders or bullets. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. I love 7mm, just wish it would modernize a bit. During processing the large, soft grains are broken down into smaller ones, which makes for a harder material. We use cookies to make your experience better. A barrel shot out for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. yea Im leaning more towards the 28 just cause I dont really want to fire form, I know its not the end of the world but just one more step. Buy Now. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. Trustpilot. JavaScript is disabled. Nosler AccuBond Long Range. Since then weve met eight or ten other 7mms, but none has knocked the old 7 Rem Mag from its perch. 7rm for me. Mine is a 26" 1-9 twist non saami 280 ackley. Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. I also see the counter that belted cases are reloaded just like non belted and it is a non issue. The SAUM will be built on a long action. Still, recoil is lower and ammo/components are cheaper and easier to find. I don't feel the need to give up barrel life (it may be a hunting rifle but I still practice with it) for a marginal increase in speed, as well as more powder and more expensive brass. Great performance, easy to neck a case down and a simple bushing change gets you great dies. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. So far on order, The Sherman requires case prep and fire forming which is rounds off of your barrel life unless you buy a hydroforming die $$$$$, Caliber = internal diameter of a barrel bore, outside diameter of a bullet. You want 98.2 grains water capacity behind a seated 175-grain bullet? But if you are only going to shoot the 160's you may be ok with SAAMI spec'd chamber. Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. Long action lone peak. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! The 28 is not going to be but about 25-50 FPS faster and it makes little difference. Although, the 28 Nosler is an awesome cartridge. The first question you have to ask when designing a new cartridge is, "WHY?" The 7LRM (Long Range Magnum) is a non-belted case that has the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag with a standard magnum case head. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. This calls for a light rifle. The only advantage I'd see with the SAUM is using a short action. The 28 Nosler uses .284 diameter bullets while the 300 Win Mag uses larger .308 bullets. Yes, the .28 Nosler wins the ballistic competition with the RUM right on its heels. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. The Nosler loads were developed in Remington cases with Remington primers, and chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. RL-19, H4350, and IMR 4350 are all good choices. I'm currently hunting with a 7rm shooting 168 Berger vlds at 3000 fps. Almost overnight the seven em em was on the lips of American hunters. My vote would be for the 7 saum. It is going to be strictly a hunting gun on a lighter weight platform. ( They are sitting on the shelf waiting , though.) Also note that some guys are reporting pressure issues at speeds other are reporting work with the 28. https://westtexordnance.com/7mm-300-norma-improved/, https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/28-nosler-195-berger-re33-testing.159270/, Desert Tech SRS A2 Covert FDE w/ conversions, Desert Tech SRS A1 FDE RH 6.5x47L - Parted Out. Mag. It is based on the fat, belt-free 404 Jeffery case, but Nosler likely just started with the 7mm RUM which is itself a modified Jeffery. Furthest down, around the primer pocket, the brass should be firm. Teddy Roosevelt was so impressed that he used the 757 as a basis for what became the .30-06 Springfield. Short, light barrels just dont do justice to high temperature, high velocity, high pressure, overbore magnum cartridges. Mag. Mag. 22 Nosler. I go back and forth in my head 1000 times on choices, then I will decide on what I know that I want, then I'll see something else and go back to the drawing board. The U.S.A. hasnt fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. All the info in that thread made my decision for me. The 180's will work with a 9 nit the bigger bullets will have a decided edge in the wind. However I am still using H4831, and I bet with VV N 570 or RL26 I could pass those speeds easily. As mentioned above, one of the nice things about the 7RM is factory ammo is plentiful and fairly inexpensive. The 28 Nosler has a muzzle energy of 3470 ft-lbs, and the 30 Nosler has muzzle energy at 3639 ft-lbs. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. You are using an out of date browser. (Aim for center and bullet will not rise more than 5 inches nor fall more than 5 inches within the MPBR. With a 160 grain bullet the Remington figures are 2960 fps and 3112 ft. lbs. Most people are getting sub half moa. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. Any opinions, thoughts, or experiences with either? Copyright 2004, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. SAUM can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. Well use a 10-inch diameter target zone for computing Maximum Point Blank Range. 7mm RemMag. Mag. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. Clearly the 7mm Rem. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. I think the 7saum is here to stay. .280 AI hands-down. Buy Now. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. If you were to blow the taper out to .010" and add-in a 40-degree shoulder, you would only gain 1.9 grains of case capacity. Therefore recoil is not a problem with bullets of 140-150grs. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. There are now at least 14 7mm cartridges being manufactured in the U.S. with several wildcats waiting in the wings. The 28 isn't blowing the doors of the MAX. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Cartridge: 7 RUM. Now waiting on ADG to do another run of 7 SAUM brass. gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. YMMV . I have a 6.5 saum that is my go to long range coues rifle and it is my favorite rifle but not my first choice for an elk cartridge. I wouldn't do either in a 24" , I would definitely go 26" at a minimum. I did shoot a black bear years ago with a 140gr Sierra, ugly. . It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. 180-gr. Have a 6.5 PRC and currently building a 7 SAUM. Actually just today finally found a Redding type s die seton stock. FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. Metallic Reloading Rifle Brass Rifle Brass Rifle brass is made for almost every conceivable cartridge, from 223 brass and 308 brass to older offerings like 30-40 Krag brass and even one of the newest, 6.5 Creedmoor brass. Handloaders can find .284" bullets (the diameter that all 7mm cartridges digest) as light as 100 grains, perfect for pasture rodents, coyotes, and even deer. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. ADG 28 Nosler. I did 7remmag. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but underrated standard velocity cartridges. You are using an out of date browser. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. With a 28" I got 2950~2975 with a 195 and 3150 with a 180. Case has a good balance of capacity for the bullets I tested (180'd and 195's) Plenty of usable powder options. Mag. Ive got the same dilemma. 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