Hi. The True Crime Files is dedicated to all things #TrueCrime. I have a special interest in this case as I too was brought up in Penllergaer. [6] On 27 June 1946, Muriel took the school bus home from Gowerton Grammar School. Brutally beaten, raped and shot twice, the discovery of Swansea schoolgirl Muriel Drinkwater 's body in 1946 horrified an entire community. Video, 00:02:36Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? Murder of 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater in 1946 is being probed 73 years later Police thought a stain on Muriel's coat would link death to Harold Jones But they have now confirmed a test. Learn more about managing a memorial . There was another murder in 1943. And please do not forget tosubscribe to the podcast and leave us a review. I am awaiting D.N.A tests to be carried out on Harold Jones family members. Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was a choirgirl who dreamed of being a schoolteacher. Would a nephew definitely suffice to prove a link to Harol Jones and the crime scene stain on Muriels coat. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. The new B.B.C. Todays' video is about the true crime story of the unsolved murder of 12 year old Muriel Drinkwater in 1946. I think it will be at least 3 months before anything definite will be announced. Although the decision was made immediately it took nearly 7 weeks until 16 August 2021 to get a formal decision. Importantly, though, the DNA results cleared Hoyles of any involvement in Muriels murder. Something went wrong, please try again later. "Each case is reviewed periodically. We are hoping to make a BBC documentary (follow on from Dark Son) to see if we can shed any new light on the case. Hi Neil. We can also deduce it is a average male because he must have had enough power to dominate a 12 year old girl. And shockingly the reply was that the information I requested was in written format and would take at least 16 hours at a cost of more than 450 to supply and my request was denied. "[4] Police also circulated photos of the United States Army-issued gun; notably, perspex had been used to modernise the original wooden stocks next to the grip. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED. Also that they likely watched Muriel and knew her route. Another wait and see. 4th daughter born to Lilian and Charles Herbert Irvine in Liverpool. Muriels niece is in a dreadful state. profiling. sample from Harold Jones daughter. Elizabeth Muriel Greenshields Drinkwater . Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. The detectives in the programme got a breakthrough when they were able to track down Muriel's relative Martin Phillips, who had been six at the time of the murder. The Photo Request has been fulfilled. Although he was first registered at Widdows Fulham address at Hestercombe Avenue in 1947 as Harold Jones, the following years and up until 1962 he was registered as Harry Stevens. He also fixates on the fact that he is married to a younger woman, that she is five years younger than him, that she started going out with him when she was still in school. This was no spur of the moment event. A US Army Colt .45 service revolver was used to shoot Muriel Drinkwater, 12, in the chest, after her killer had beaten and raped her. She was pulled from that path into the woodland beside it, attacked and murdered amongst the undergrowth of Penllergaer Woods, near Swansea, just yards from safety. I live on the land of penllergaer woods and I have some information that I think u would like to hear.. how can I get in contact with u to chat.? This forensic approach is becoming more common. But the mystery doesn't end there and the team want to unlock the mystery behind a book belonging to Muriel that turned up in a charity shop decades after her death. Some time after speaking to D.S Lloyd-Evans, D.N.A. Thanks again! Although the profile was loaded into the UK National DNA Database, it failed to match any of the approximately five million DNA records held there. A familial DNA profile was extracted using a technique called Y-STR, but no match was found in the national DNA database. Muriels nieces family took the books to the bookshop after Muriels brother-in-law died last year. She was last seen at 2:30 p.m., singing as she headed for the one-mile walk to her family's home, Tyle-Du Farm. Muriel Drinkwater murder: Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? They had been regular churchgoers, but stopped going to church and moved away from the farm within two years of the murder. South Wales Police's Specialist Crime Review Unit has today finally ruled out Jones - who died from cancer in 1971 - from their investigation. Regards. On this occasion he was rude to me claiming that he knew nothing about any information sent to South Wales Police from D.C. Paul Rogers. Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? Muriel Joan Drinkwater was raped in Penllergaer Woods, beaten about the head with a blunt instrument and then shot with a World War I Colt 45 on 27 June 1946. [5], Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest of four daughters born to John Percival and Margaret (ne Morgans) Drinkwater. As part of the investigation forensic evidence has been re-examined and officers have considered theories that convicted murderer Harold Jones was . DNA was found on evidence & matched a man already in prison. Hi James. Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? Muriel Drinkwater was a young Welsh schoolgirl. Play it now! Thank you for all your assistance in this matter, the information you have provided has proved to be very helpful. "(The murder) turned our family upside down and has been talked about through the generations. Taking into consideration all of the above information and the decades that have passed since Muriel was killed, I think that the only way this case will be closed is through a familial DNA match. He can't understand why people would think he killed them. Jones was ruled out at the beginning of May, 2019. I hope Margaret gets the answers she deserves sooner rather than later. It is now more than 70 years since the 12-year-old schoolgirl was brutally raped, battered around the head . Muriel was murdered 16 years before I was born, but it was a story I had heard from a young age. That DNA was initially used to rule from suspicion someone who had been spotted close to the woods on the afternoon Muriel was attacked. In fact, it was recently used to identifyJoseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer who is thought to be responsible for at least a dozen murders and 50 rapes in the 1970s and 1980s in the United States. Its amazing the documentary could screw things up so much. Officers are now examining a semen stain on Muriel's coat to see if it can be linked to Jones. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. It was an article that said that Harries had worked for Muriel's father John at the time of her murder. The police have a Y-STR profile from Muriels coat. An amazing campaign by Neil Milkins, but unfortunately, no breakthrough for Muriel. As manager of this memorial you can add or update the memorial using the Edit button below. ADVERTISEMENT BY ANCESTRY.COM. ~ Christine. Bethell was thrilled to discover that on the back of the coat, a no-longer visible dried semen stain was circled with yellow crayon. Bethell sent the coat toDr. Colin Dark, and over the course of three years (MUCH longer than depicted on television and in the movies) Bethell analyzed the material and was able to extract enough fragments of DNA tosuccessfully create a Y-STR profile from the semen stain. It is currently one of the oldest active cold cases in the UK. https://www.abc10.com/amp/article/news/crime/prison-inmate-accused-42-year-old-homicide-in-dixon-area/103-535ec3ad-2aa1-4d10-94a7-aafe4f6081ff, We are thrilled to announce that remains discovered in 2017 in Sanford, Maine at a building site have been identified. The police statement that Jones was ruled out is a misleading statement. 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In 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was murdered in the woods of Swansea, Wales. This murder shook the village and all the boys came under suspicion. It was supposed to have been abandoned in 1944 but I know there were GIs who married Swansea girls still around in 1946. Murder. We got a partial profile, given that it was the oldest cold case with a semen stain on it that we had been working on.". Muriel Drinkwater Muriel Drinkwater (born 1906) Jump to: Bio graphy Family Photos Comments Obit uary. Two months too young to face the gallows, he was sent to Usk Prison where he sensationally confessed to the first killing, blaming the voice of a 'demon' in his head. I contacted D.S. Will do Christine. Hoyles told police that the man looked terribly stern and had a local accent. Although this person of interest could have just been out for hike or involved in some other unrelated nefarious activity, the authorities believe that he may have been in involved in Muriels murder. I have requested information regarding the cost of the re-investigation of Muriels murder since 2008. [18] The public can no longer access the Drinkwater files by Freedom of Information Act requests or in person at the archives office in Kew. Police and soldiers search the area for clues of Muriel's murder, A picture of Muriel's schoolmates with flowers for her grave, Freda Burnell (left) and Florence Little (right) - Jones' first victims, At 35-years-old Jones is released from prison, only to vanish. On 30 March 2010 the Times Online quoted an unnamed police source with South Wales Police as saying: We have a real problem with amateur sleuths in this area. Holly Ann Campiglia was a Jane Doe until she was identified in 1992. Published: 08:03 EST, 1 May 2019 | Updated: 13:00 EST, 1 May 2019. My enquiries are now complete and have led me to believe that Harold Jones would have presented a danger to young girls throughout his life All relevant information has now been presented to South Wales Police, Major Crime Review Unit,who are currently in the process of making further inquiries into the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. "If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it.". She disappeared around the bend into some more dense undergrowth. 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For decades, a key person of interest in Muriels murder has been Hubert Hoyles. The killer was dubbed Jack The Stripper because of the way he left his victims. Up Next. [16][17], In 2010, the Lord Chancellor's Advisory Council on National Records and Archives closed off public access to the case, acting at the behest of Scotland Yard. She was singing . The police think that Hoyles, who as mentioned above passed Muriel on her way home, encountered Muriels killer weeks before her death. It is now more than 70 years since the 12-year-old schoolgirl was brutally raped, battered around the head and shot twice while walking home. request regarding the unsolved murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater near Swansea in June 1946. It was tracked down to a store room, in a current police station, in a very dark corner. The electoral register having been suspended because of the war means details are hazy about where he ended up - although he did eventually resurface in South London under the name Harry Stevens, leading some to believe he was also Jack The Stripper - the serial killer who battered and strangled a number of women across the capital during the 1960s. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater (Welsh: Llofruddiaeth Muriel Drinkwater),[2] also known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder, is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. She had been raped, bludgeoned about the head and shot twice in the chest. The Welsh policehave also examined connections between Muriels case and a second murder that occurred a mere ten days after she was killed. Swansea 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater, who was shot after being sexually assaulted in 1946, Officers searching the farmland in the days after the murder, Muriel's schoolmates with flowers for her grave, A picture of the gun police believe was used, Harold Jones, a convicted child killer who was also a suspect in Muriel's killing, Ronnie Harries, the last man to be sentenced to death in Carmarthen, The book that was found in a charity shop. She said: "He came to public attention in the early 1950s when he was convicted of murdering an older couple. If you have any information about Muriels murder, please contact the South Wales Policevia email at[emailprotected], Mystery of 1946 murder in woods BBC News article, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. Now cutting-edge forensics to rival any TV thriller have identified her killers DNA Daily Mail article, Unsolved: The Little Red Riding Hood murder Sword and Scale article, Muriel Drinkwater murder file is declared secret at request of police The Sunday Times article. Muriel Drinkwater. I think it was suggested that the police thought that the family knew more than they were letting on. Casey DeSantis says Ron looked like Tom Cruise in his white Navy uniform when then got married at Disney: Florida's First Family says venue was an 'ironic' choice, Ron DeSantis claims former Disney CEO Bob Chapek privately complained to him about the 'pressure' he was under from woke Left to wade in on Florida's 'Don't say gay' bill. [3] In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest sample in the world to be successfully extracted in a murder investigation. Fifteen days later, Jones murdered 11-year-old neighbour Florence Little too, hiding her body in the attic of his parents' home. Advertisement. I can be contacted at [emailprotected] or via Facebook messenger. I contacted Detective Superintendent Martyn Lloyd-Evans (now retired) of South Wales Police by phone and had a friendly conversation with him about Victor Penalunas suspicions. In August, the police appealed to the U.S. public for assistance, as many Americans had been stationed in Penllergaer during the recent Second World War and there was a possibility one of the servicemen had sold the weapon. However, if it wasnt for Victor Penaluna and D.C. Paul Rogers of the London Metropolitan Police I would have been none the wiser about the Muriel Drinkwater murder. Accountant Graham Wildin built an incredible 10,000sq/ft leisure complex - which has a bowling alley, casino, a cinema and more - at the back of his home. Farm Heroes Saga, the #4 Game on iTunes. Although an extensive investigation was conducted that involved the police visiting every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles and interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire, the case that has become known as theLittle Red Riding Hood Murder remains unsolved. "It does make you think that Muriel Drinkwater (who passed her 11-Plus to get into grammar school) is the sort of girl he would have been interested in. Regards. They also announced in May 2019 that Abertillery double child killer Harold Jones had also been cleared of Muriels murder. You are talking about 74 years ago now and nothing has been able to close the matter.". Edith Patten had been buried in the old town cemetery and was left behind when officials relocated the graves in the 1930s. Muriels niece Margaret is desperate to get the books back. [7], The next day, Drinkwater's body was found in the woods by a police inspector. true crime. She was was found murdered in 1980 in a field in Dixon, CA. There is no doubt about that.". Accountant Graham Wildin built an incredible 10,000sq/ft leisure complex - which has a bowling alley, casino, a cinema and more - at the back of his home. Yet, despite their exhaustive enquiries - not to mention the discovery of the gun used in Muriel's shooting - the culprit managed to evade justice. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. Video, 00:00:36, Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle, At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece. Muriel, who lived on Tyle-Du farm at Penllergaer, near Swansea, went missing on Thursday, June 27th, 1946, and her body was found next day in Penllergaer woods. There was a camp a mile away in Grovesend. People had forgotten it was there. But in 2003, when the case was reopened for review, forensics experts found a semen stain found on Muriel's coat. Brutally beaten, raped and shot twice, the discovery of Swansea schoolgirlMuriel Drinkwater's body in 1946 horrified an entire community. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. Paul.. Just a few weeks short of her 13th birthday, Muriel had been beaten on the crown of her head with an object, raped and then shot twice in the . During the course of the investigation the finger of blame had sometimes been pointed at Muriel's father, John. Joseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. [3] In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest sample . Sometimes the rumours and suspicion in these unsolved cases does almost as much damage to the community as the crime itself. It is frustrating that the Wales Online story of Saturday 7 November states the police have D.N.A. [8] A description of a person of interest was circulated; he was described as approximately 30 years old, with "thick fluffy hair and wearing brown corduroy trousers and a light brown sports jacket. The case, which became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder, is one of the oldest active cold cases in the United Kingdom. The team are still investigating if this has any relevance to the case and are appealing for anyone with information about it to come forward. If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. "South Wales Police has had considerable success with cold case reviews being one of the first forces in the country to set up a review team in 1999 to conduct cold case reviews. Her route to her familys home Tyle-Du Farmentailed a mile-long journey that wove in and out of the woods. Also, as I understand matters, members of Muriels family have given DNA samples to ascertain whether Muriels father may have killed her. MLS breaks attendance records on the opening weekend of the new season as both Charlotte and Atlanta welcome over 67,000 fans - more than the average crowd at 13 NFL teams! Muriel Drinkwater was laying on her back, one arm outstretched by her side and the other slightly raised. He stated he had long been suspected by some locals of being the murderer and was happy to clear his name. Dubbed the 'Little Red Riding Hood murder', the. ", Muriel Drinkwater who was killed in June 1946. Thanks for reading and for taking the time to share your thoughts. After a previous visit to the Drinkwater family farm, Hoyles was surprised when a man in his thirties withthick fluffy hair and wearing brown corduroy trousers and a light brown sports jacket stepped from the bushes at exactly the same location where Muriel was later ambushed. Video, 00:00:41Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story. Thank you for listening to this episode of The True Crime Files. Positive reviews really help others find our show. OnJune 27, 1946, twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school inPenllergaer, Swansea. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. Video, 00:01:20, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech, EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other' Video, 00:00:36, EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other', The 'smart suit' that is changing children's lives. ~ Christine. "Due to advances in forensic technology we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule him out completely as a suspect in this case. Her murder became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder. I had informed him that Harold Jones had been living incognito in various West London locations after his release from prison in 1941. Required fields are marked *. On 29 August 2021, I sent the following email to Freedom Of Information at South Wales Police. Read about our approach to external linking. Muriel Drinkwater was raped and shot dead as she walked home from a school bus in Penllergaer, Swansea, Serial killer Harold Jones (pictured as a 15-year-old) killed two young girls when he was just 15 and was jailed for 20 years. Sorry I doubled up on some of the above but cant edit it. Enter your email address to receive our monthly newsletter and to be notified about new posts. [8], Last edited on 11 February 2023, at 09:11, List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom, "Marwolaeth merch yn parhau'n ddirgelwch", "The Muriel Drinkwater case: can they crack the coldest murder case? The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. Muriel Drinkwater was born on January 12, 1906 in New York . She was still wearing her school uniform. Vote. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. Dear Sir/Madam. On his way home, he passed Muriel as she walked along the path. It blighted my life. For Hoyles, and no doubt numerous other people in Penllergaer,every dollar spent bringing Muriels killer one step closer to justice has been a dollar well spent. The hardest part then was actually finding the materials," he told the documentary. There were whispers that it was her stepfather that did it, although I believe John Drinkwater was her blood father. Thank you for sharing this detailed update on Muriels case with the community. Paul says: "Muriel had almost made it to the home. A 73-year-old sample semen has conclusively disproved the theory Harold Jones was the killer of 12-year-old schoolgirl Muriel Drinkwater, Get the latest court and crime news from WalesOnline. The True Crime Files Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. Her mother Margaret watched from the house as the youngest of. The crime scene is a short distance from the farmhouse. Regards. Norah Irene Bartlett. I guess a DNA test of Sheila Martin must have been taken to see if it was the same person. Interesting insights! Martin well remembers a young girl who was "always full of life" and would always be skipping and singing. Video, 00:01:20WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech, EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other' Video, 00:00:36EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other', The 'smart suit' that is changing children's lives. Video, 00:02:36, Up Next. A much loved, very kind and thoughtful person who did great things for people but never expected anything in return. Mudgee General Cemetery. 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