I can only imagine the medical problems that Nico would be born with R231, yes! Im R39, so just to add - one of the most pathetic things about this case is Chris saying we never go on hikes.. Someone in one of the threads said they drove through the area and it's pretty barren and underdeveloped. LEONARD had heard that SHANANN was really involved in Thrive. in Carthage, NC. R141 Your boy was fucked with or without the nosy friend. Watts repeatedly talks about the murder of Shanann as this moment where he snapped because she supposedly threatened to take the kids away from him. Thank you so much for providing all of the analyzation and conclusion because it defines this case as it was and is. All i could think of while watching this video, is what was going thru the minds of financially strapped husbands watching their wives spend money they didn't have on these scams? In a new documentary from Netflix, newly revealed letters and texts show that Shanann had no idea that her marriage would soon turn deadly. Why? R181, the house is surrounded by water on 3 sides? He was so clinical in throwing away his wife (understandable) but the kids? The comments below have not been moderated, By He just doesnt. Financially she had left him no way out. The alienation, the excuses shes having a bad day, all of it. R244, I firmly believe she was emotionally abusing and exploiting him. I'm laughing at Scam'Ann and Sham'Ann. Has everyone already forgotten the sub prime mortgage explosion of the early 2000s? The interview took place in the prison where Watts is . There were rumors that she was banging her boss, Hisham. Rims, tinted windows, etc. Facebook & its ilk are full of fraus like her -- none of them deserve to die but all of them are annoying as hell. Quiet people may appear calm but Chris was not quiet inside. The discovery docs included an interview with the ex. On November 6, 2018, Watts pleaded guilty to multiple counts of first-degree murder as part of a plea deal when the death penalty (which was later abolished in Colorado in 2020) was removed from sentencing. I still find this case fascinating. Those girls probably ate it all the time. American Murder: The Family Next Door focuses on the 2018 disappearance of Shanann Watts and her two young . If Shanann was a horrible person to some it doesnt mean she killed her children when so much premeditation seems to be at hand. R109: if Shannnanon filed for divorce claiming adultry, pregnant with 2 children under 5, shell get what she wants. I would love to hear about shanann's personality from her call center colleagues. I really didnt. https://www.wltx.com/article/news/slain-mom-2-daughters-had-been-in-sc-just-weeks-before-their-deaths/101-585544417, Was just being nosey and googling, do you think this is the same Arie King in N.C? Considering the p.o.s. The reason I halfway believe her is that her description fits exactly a couple I know IRL. Idk how that bitch is still getting TV interviews after the cops were likeyeah this is bullshit. On Feb. 18, over a span of five hours, Watts shared with investigators more disturbing details in how he killed his wife, Shanann, and their two daughters in August 2018. Chris was a real bore, apparently. Chris is a total hottie, Shanan was a a lucky gal. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN took out life insurance policies when they were married around 2004/2005 through USAA. What a tragedy. Shanann's ex husband Leonard King say's "it was virtually impossible to engage with her" Murder Mysteries 2.8K subscribers Subscribe 7.9K views 4 years ago Shanann's ex husband found. In order to post it I had to resize it on a website to get a URL, because the google image links kept being rejected. I wonder if she might have used that Thrive crap on the kids. Think before you speak. Ryan The Hack Murphy needs to do a Netflix melodrama about this case. But Good Lord - Cassie and Josh MOVE IN? I spoke with LEONARD KING by phone on 08/15/2018 at 1427 hours. Here is a entertaining video of hausfraus selling Luluroe via MLM. I started a post on them but apparently they are not as fun to satirize as Shannan. SHANANN would stay gone, but he was never concerned that something happened to her. On August 10, the day after posting the doll picture, Shanann traveled to Scottsdale, Arizona for a work event. True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek, Discovery DocumentsEx husbandLeonard King. crap but that is highly unlikely as MLMs are notorious for not producing actual living incomes for their dupes. If so, nice of him not to say so. I mean to stay would be commiting to hell. See home details for 19398 Hathaway Ln and find similar homes for sale now in Warrensville Heights, OH on Trulia. He deserves peace. "Omg, I was so horrified that my wife killed our kids that I crammed them in an oil tank". Yes indeed, we too use "cookies." Man, I wish he had consulted a lawyer. I thought that we at DL had figured out what likely happened months ago (had pretty good, comprehensive theories about that night that made sense): he covered the girls faces while they were asleep in their beds (possibly even after sedating them) so they quickly died practically in their sleep and never knew that it was daddy who did it. CBI interview with Shan'ann's childhood friend. That router article is amazing work Nick! Police say the three victims were murdered in their home and later transported to the oil field. His facial expressions reveal that he's more complex than that. Clothes, protein bars, vitamin supplements, make-up. She expected to quietly . R23, the medical bills were because she had factitious disorder. I had no idea it was that much! Only they know, but I bet that is the case. Today, February 1, was Shannan's due date for her unborn baby. Chris Watts is a textbook Malignant-Covert Somatic Narcissist. That can occur when a nerd suddenly becomes hot or he's just a crazy. Is Shanann the only girlfriend he ever had? "When Shanann Watts blew out the candles on her birthday cake on January 10, 2018, with her two young daughters by her side, she had no idea it would be her last birthday or that all three of them would be dead in the coming year. Its clear the NC house layout was inspiration to the CO home that was customized. Im not an expert, but I dont think asthma is terribly elusive (its not LUPUS). I think Chris is secretly relieved to be in prison. Men are just disposing of women like theyre garbage. LEONARD had heard that SHANANN was really involved in Thrive. R107, yup yup yup. Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty last week to killing all three in August. Shanann was married to a man named Leonard Kim and they got divorced in 2009. But nonetheless I still feel Chris killed the children. SHANANN was in high school when LEONARD first met her. Following the disappearance of Chris' wife, Shanann Watts, and the couple's two children from a small Denver suburb in 2018, a major police hunt ensued. And a few people I know in real life. Hello and thank you for registering. And furnished it (with tacky shit, oh my goodness that woman liked purple and aqua). Im sorry shes dead, but she was shady as fuck. I truly hope a movie is made of her in an honest light. Chris and Shanann met in 2010 in their home state of North Carolina and got married on Nov. 3, 2012. She talked in one of her videos that Chris accompanied her to a colonoscopy as one of their first dates. I have thought she cheated all along as well. teacher harriet voice shawne jackson; least stressful physician assistant specialties; grandma's marathon elevation gain; describe key elements of partnership working with external organisations; According to Good Housekeeping, Watts played the role of a concerned husband when Shanann's friend reported her missing after being unable to get in contact with her. May be she aspired to live a little beyond their means but she didnt kill anyone not does that make her evil. Shan'ann's former boss and lover, Hisham. R144, Sure she fled. Maybe some day well get to the truth about the Dirty South business. WHAT? That was the elusive diagnosis that put them in debt this time. He had heard about the case in which SHANANN and her children were missing. shanann watts first marriagedream about someone faking their death. A friends wife hugged and kissed Chris and Shanann forbade them from socializing with that couple again. Meanwhile, she was torturing and starving her children. I feel kind of the same way. Maybe she wasnt very good at Munchhausening. And thats saying a lot. It would be the only thing to do, R213. Go back to your thoughts and prayers and handwringing over how things like this can happen, while never trying to actually make sense of it beyond coming to the conclusion of CRAZY. No, not at all R256. Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant, and appeared to be happily married, according to Atkinson. R199, I saw that. Was she banging him, too? But yeah. I cant come back like this. And its interesting to see how people defend her nauseating videos (it was for her JOB!) and bitchiness to her husband and children (I boss my husband. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN married in 2002/2003 and divorced in 2007/2008 in SC. American Murder: The Family Next Door quickly brings viewers inside the world of the Watts family, thanks in a huge part to pictures, posts, and videos from Shanann Watts' social media pages.After introducing the mother of two and her family via clips of holidays and other family moments, the documentary drops a bombshell on viewers: In May of 2018, Shanann revealed to her husband, Chris Watts . I like it - two snarky, bitchy Englishwomen can be quite entertaining. He has changed. She would have moved back to NC, had her parents look after the kids, gotten a regular ole job and not have been too happy. Jesus Christ dangling from the cross what is wrong with some of you. NK was a normal, healthy, financial-responsible woman who loved Colorado sightseeing, hiking, camping, probably skiing, exploring natural resources, and all things normal people do in Colorado. Chris Watts strangled and smothered his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, to death, before strangling their daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, with a blanket in 2018. Its the underlying current of this entire tragedy. On November 3, 2012, Chris and Shanann got married in the Mecklenberg County of North Carolina. And even during the confession, he still doesnt seem to feel bad for the two little girls. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. And, the deceased woman's mother did, as well? There's no such suggestion of that scenario in the discovery. Watts told investigators Shanann did not fight back, and laid on the bed as he strangled her. ^ Why? Now, I'm not saying the kids deserved to die - but the wife just seemed like a massive pain in the ass. I spoke with LEONARD KING ( ) by phone on 08/15/2018 at 1427 hours. He knows his wife is in CONSTANT contact with her friends. Saw a new video today about Shan'annigan's 4,000 sf starter home in NC that she fled from, leaving most everything in there behind. R169: I dont think either one were straight when it comes to spending. He's remarried with children; and also suffered the devastating loss of his younger brother in 2016. Shanann was delusional in living beyond their means but she wasnt EVIL Chris Watts is. The community of Frederick, Colorado and the entire nation was horrified when Chris killed his entire family in August 2018. In the last 10 years of Shan'ann's life, between October 2002 and January 2012, she appears to have moved an astonishing 20 times. Dirty South is a custom car shop. Not for one second did I think that the big confession Watts gave cops would be so brutal and nasty. I listened to Interview podcast with the ex. It amazes me to see photos and videos of Bella and CeeCee and the love they had for one another is plain to see. Likely when Chris did the same thing to her she may have had some insight into herself, that this is what happened with Leonard, which caused her to try her hardest to get Chris to talk to her. $150,000 equity would have been swallowed up by realtor fees leaving the two of them not much. She alienated Chris from his friends. That's an interesting piece of information. Chris Watts was charged with the murders of Shanann and their daughters Bella and Celeste on Aug. 21, 2018. This was all a conspiracy to defraud Anadarko out of hundreds of millions of dollars in a wrongful death suit. Do you know where she's at?" R19, my mistake. Of course, I could make up a few believable stories about someone like this, too. The woman who started googling Chris Watts and Shanann Watts just after the Mead explosion. I think he snapped. He was booked on three counts each of first-degree murder and tampering with physical evidence on Thursday. Can you imagine her as a single parent? Watts, 35, reportedly detailed the gruesome slaying of Shanann Watts in one of his prison letters - and he also revealed that he'd been thinking about killing her for "weeks." 15 How wrong we all were. They filed for chapter 7 BK in 2015 too, same year as the Watts. But Chris was already involved in an affair: He had become intimate with an unwitting co-worker who believed he was getting a divorce from his wife. I just think he lost it. LOL. It was all so odd. What do you mean needed Chris to pay the bills- they both needed each other to pay the bills. Words have devastating consequences. R59: Why is there a photo of a black woman and child on the shelf? Chriss mom is a nasty soul and exhibits the toxic traits of a Narcissist herself, and so it would make sense. But OH MY GOD! That's twice a year every year for 10 years. The family of Shanann Watts paid tribute to the slain Colorado mom, her two daughters and . Probably. Shanann hidden in a very shallow grave. R89, what EVIDENCE is there that Shanann had lupus or infertility? R181, basically what we already knew. As r47 says, this case is chock-full of CHARACTERS. Colorado doesnt care if a spouse is cheating. Why are some posters feel the need to say that the toddlers are "ugly". I also find that interesting which seems to me she couldnt handle conflict either. Grahm Coder says repeatedly, Help us bring them out of the cold." LEONARD denied that he currently had any policies on her life. But I do wish he had let them live, and just walked off with his truck driver girlfriend. In 2018, husband and father Chris Wattswas arrested for murdering his pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, and their two young daughters, Bella and Celeste, in Colorado (via Oxygen). He said that she used it constantly when he knew her and she was very well attached to it. Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. There is a FB group that has mentioned the Munchhausen, but its also something that the famous troll talks about and goofs on, so its been derailed a bit. You are a complete moron if you think she killed her kids. Shanann wanted one more child praying for a baby boy. Being fascinated by all this doesn't mean we want to FREE CHRIS or Shan'ann DESERVED TO DIE, let alone the two innocents. I do agree that Kessinger had more involvement than she pretended. Cans Natz. Theres also the reality check that she might not have been able to leave the state if Chris filed for joint custody. 1. what happens to all their debt now? And it was mostly consumer debt, no? Unless the new lover is a threat to the kids or is causing financial ruin. Which is what no one can explain. LEONARD had heard that SHANANN left her cell phone at home. 107: Chris was cheating, so he had no power. She was a malignant narcissist who wrecked havoc when she was questioned. Chris even said to the investigators at one point: Bellas a smart girl, she knew what was going on. Does anyone know when she began calling herself Shan'ann and why? Become a contributor - post when you want with no ads. This community exists to discuss the murders of the Watts family and the subsequent arrest of Chris Watts. Her husband should have left her & divorced her, or never married her in the first place. The couple had reportedly had marital stress, and Shanann and the daughters had recently spent six weeks in North Carolina with her family, arriving back in Colorado on August 7. And she had turned thee dining room into a clothing store with commercial racks filled with clothes. The description of what he did to those little girls. Chris should be let out of prison and given the chance to be hot again. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. The interest must have been insane. Was he going to explode them in a tank and then sue? And I still want to know more about the drugs in bins in their basement. He pleaded guilty that November to all three slayings. Sorry, anyone that feels for this monster needs his or her head examined, pronto. Her parents called her SHANan. https://shakedowntitle.com/2018/09/30/dirty-south-customs-shananns-dirty-little-secret/. Bella, Celeste and Shanann Watts (credit CBS) "Our daughter watched her husband kill her," Sandy . A concerned friend contacted law enforcement after learning of the murders of Shanann Watts and her two young daughter, relaying an unsettling anecdote Shanann had shared with her just weeks before she was killed. You can try and shame me for being obsessed with this case, but it wont work. Or was he completely oblivious and just filled with utter rage at Shannan and her doppelgnger kids dissing him? Back to Shan'ann, I think r154 has it right. And Shanann invites Josh and Cassie to live with them so Josh can get a job with Ace Hardware. Shanann Cathryn Watts, 34 and daughters Bella Marie Watts, 4 & Celeste Cathryn Watts, 3 & unborn son Nico Lee of Frederick, Colorado, died on Thursday, August 16, 2018. The Watts' house reminds me of a size 14 girl squeezing into a size 6 dress. Another person she was using? Chris Watts. It was a part of his responsibility. He was an empty canvas, grey rock, cipher. No joke. She wanted the large house. Its endlessly fascinating. He had heard about the case in which SHANANN and her children were missing. In the August, 2018 video, Chris was was stunningly buff. If you look at his fb page, shes still on his friends list. Fact: Court documents listed Shanann as a co-owner of Dirty South. He definitely deserves life in prison - what he did was disgusting. Re, R113's : "Maybe he didn't want to be full-time parent.". For the kind of woman Shannon was, she wouldnt have just given up on her two children even if Chris had left. What if he really doesnt love me anymore? ^ to be fair, Trent Bolte has them all beat in the crazy department. The Websleuths crazies who want to blame the victim come here. I spoke with LEONARD KING ( ) by phone on 08/15/2018 at 1427 hours. I cant figure out how they got so deeply in debt AGAIN after the first bankruptcy. In a video posted online of her 34th birthday celebration, Shananns little girls, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, sang a sweet rendition of Happy Birthday to their mom as Shananns own mother, Sandra Rzucek, joins in via Facetime on Shananns phone. It is how you build one. After the divorce, LEONARD kept his, but changed it to $100k and changed the beneficiary. I got smacked around for saying it, but Chris is boring and shes much more interesting. Shan'ann Watts tells her husband: "I don't want a video of you" while recording her children Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? The moral of this story? Hours later, Chris killed her and the girls. I feel really sorry for poor Chris, he should not be serving a life sentence! My partner's half sister is like this. She would terrify me. Maybe he didn't want to be full-time parent. This was from an interview with one of Shanann's Thrive friends, that they all were friendly. She then went to work in Charlotte, NC for a middle eastern guy that owned a tire and wheel business called Dirty South. Please click here to register for free. Watts likely justified to himself (wrongly, of course) their murders based on this. Didnt Shanann cheat on Leonard with the middle eastern guy at Dirty South he mentions? According to a Facebook post . Would you know my name if I saw you in Heaven? She went through three first names. @Strawheart, how do you know she didnt kill the little girls? r162 I wanna see those pics of "Shannan" posing as a bitch-ho next to the souped up thug rods. 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They got married around 2002/2003 and divorced around 2007/2008. She did everything to come across as the perfect, crunchy-earthy, cool progressive lesbian mom. Her mother wasnt meddling in her business. Didnt like his Mustang, made him sell it. No doubt he snapped. They're standing on a porch and look sweet and feminine. I also think those same things motivate him to not be completely truthful about his true motives, etc. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN married in 2002/2003 and divorced in 2007/2008 in SC. LEONARD actually did not know SHANANNs last name until a few days ago. I also think those same things motivate him to not be completely truthful about his true motives, etc. LEONARD actually did not know SHANANNs last name until a few days ago. And he knew that in her vindictiveness she would use the children as pawns and weapons. Shanann Watts, 34, posted the creepy image to Facebook on August 9 She appeared to think her daughters, ages three and four, posed the doll Shanann and the two girls were all killed days. She was desperate when she realized he was done. Study up! Talk about flood irrigation! Its crazy & I just dont understand it. Press J to jump to the feed. Okay. R166: Do you have evidence of this scamming and embezzlement? You have some real writing talent. He was never going to find a normal woman, he was always going to seek out a bossy cunt and then spend the rest of his life being sore at her. Watts was convicted of strangling his wife, Shanann, 34, in the house and then smothering his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, at his work site. The Netflix shows details the deteriorating relationship between Chris and Shanann, who began suspecting her husband was having an affair and felt he was suddenly pulling away from her. In 2010, she met Chriss Lee Watts, who was an employee of the Anadarko Petroleum, Woodlands, Texas. She then went to work in Charlotte, NC for a middle eastern guy that owned a tire and wheel business called Dirty South. Dont forget Primrose Academy the girls $500 a week pre-school. Her crazy MIL spread stories about Shannaaaannna. , updated Thanks for mentioning that, whoever you are. ". I think he did the world a favor by offing her. The MIL was a cunt to her, too, but I think its because MIL recognized a fellow manipulator. COPS: It was determined that SHANANN WATTS was previously married to LEONARD KING, an attorney in NC. We are changing the login scheme for contributors for simpler login and to better support using multiple devices. She tore through life, grabbing grabbing grabbing, and demanding. At the time of her death, Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant with a baby boy she planned to name Niko. I'd consider being three months behind on her mortgage, a husband cheating on her, credit card debt in the tens of thousands at least, and being pregnant were a few of her bigger problems, r51. Mrs. Watts is the smallest one. LEONARD said that he was very interested in marriage counseling and they went to a couple sessions, but it was virtually impossible to engage SHANANN in conversation. A 12 yo girl took it for one day and felt amazing! I posted earlier extensively about my suspicion that Chris went BALLISTIC about financial stress after getting the mail and seeing the Younique, Le-Vel, etc, charges on ballooning credit cards and then forging (I think) Shanann's signature when she was in NC, on the summons for the lawsuit by the Wyndham Hills HOA. Maybe Shanann was exercising a little self-discipline and not buying dining room furniture till they could afford it?". Chris Watts: Complete Cast of Characters | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs. 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